About a week before Publius’ 24th Federalist column appeared in the December 19 1797 edition of ___ , Thomas Jefferson wrote to his fellow foreign minister, John Adams. The two wrote to each other frequently, at least once or twice a month.
They were fellow diplomats – Jefferson in Paris, and Adams mainly in London – and the less-experienced Jefferson frequently solicited Adams’ council. Thus, the letters read a bit like the dialogue down a hallway between a new accountant and his appointed mentor. Do you think we ought to pay the principal on this loan to avoid bad credit with other nations? And, because it is Adams and Jefferson, the work-talk is interspersed with things like, “How do you like our new consitution?”
That was how Jefferson ended a letter on November 13, 1787, and then he answered his question: some problematic items “stagger all [his] dispositions to subscribe” to it.
Specifically, (1) the House of Representatives seemed to Jefferson inadequate to manage the new country and its foreign affairs; (2) the Presidency appeared set to become a perpetually reelected postition; and (3) even if not reelected, the President might grab perpetual power with his Constitutionally granted force of the military. Generally, wrote Jefferson, “all the good of this new constitution might have been couched in three or four new articles to be added to the good, old, and venerable fabrick …” (Jefferson to Adams, Paris, November 13, 1787)
1787 and Jefferson already shared talking points, from across the Atlantic, with those naysayers that Hamilton blasted a few weeks later in F24.
On December 6, 1787, Adams answered Jefferson’s last paragraph (he answered the work-related questions a few days later). First, he disagreed with Jefferson’s take on the Articles of Confederation. That aside, Adams well summarizes for we later readers his debate with Jefferson: “You are afraid of the one – I, of the few. We agree perfectly that the many should have a full fair and perfect Representation. – You are Apprehensive of Monarchy; I, of Aristocracy. I would therefore have given more power to the President and less to the Senate.”
Indeed, this is a powerful summary of a major early debate in American government: what better preserves the people’s voice, a strong legislature or stong executive? And what of the notion that Andrew Jackson was the first popular President (in that he transformed the Presidency into that office that best represents the people). It appears that Adams has seen that possibility.
Adams counters Jefferson’s fear that a President might be perpetually reelected with “so much the better.” Elections, he writes, “have been so often tryed, and so universallyt found productive of Horrors, that there is great Reason to dread them.”
About a week before Publius’ 24th Federalist column appeared in the December 19 1797 New York newspapers, Thomas Jefferson sat down to write his fellow foreign minister, John Adams.
The two wrote to each other frequently, at least once or twice a month. They were fellow diplomats — Jefferson in Paris, and Adams mainly in London — the less-experienced Jefferson frequently soliciting Adams’ council. Thus, the letters read a bit like the hallway dialogue between a newly hired accountant and his appointed mentor. A typical subject: Do you think we ought to pay the principal on this loan to avoid bad credit with other nations? But, because it is Adams and Jefferson, the work-talk is interspersed with things like, So, “How do you like our new consitution?”
That was how Jefferson ended a letter on November 13, 1787. He answered his question: some problematic items “stagger all my dispositions to subscribe” to it.
Specifically, (1) the House of Representatives seemed to Jefferson inadequate to manage the new country and its foreign affairs; (2) the Presidency appeared set to become a perpetually reelected postition; and, proving that opposition taking points spread like LA wildfires even before the internets, (3) even if not reelected, the President might grab perpetual power with his Constitutionally granted force of the military. Did the line perk Hamilton’s ears across the Atlantic, and spur the young and prolific essayist into Federalist 24?
Generally, wrote Jefferson, “all the good of this new constitution might have been couched in three or four new articles to be added to the good, old, and venerable fabrick …”
On December 6, 1787, Adams answered Jefferson’s last paragraph (he answered the work-related questions a few days later). First, he disagreed with Jefferson’s take on the Articles of Confederation. That aside, Adams well summarizes for we later readers his debate with Jefferson: “You are afraid of the one – I, of the few. We agree perfectly that the many should have a full fair and perfect Representation. – You are Apprehensive of Monarchy; I, of Aristocracy. I would therefore have given more power to the President and less to the Senate.”
Indeed, this is a powerful summary of a major early debate in American government: what better preserves the people’s voice, a strong legislature or stong executive? (And what of the notion that Andrew Jackson was the first popular President, in that he transformed the Presidency into that office that best represents the people. It appears that Adams had already contemplated seen that possibility.)
Adams counters Jefferson’s fear that a President might be perpetually reelected with “so much the better.” Elections, he writes, “have been so often tryed, and so universallyt found productive of Horrors, that there is great Reason to dread them.”
In light of Lily’s post below, I’m interested in the civic debate between these two. As we know, they became biter enemies a decade later. Or did they? Sure, they didn’t talk – but was their division really between them, as individuals, or between the parties (factions, in Madison’s phraseology) that formed about them? One wishes that they continued to write to each other through the election of 1800. Perhaps, had they, we would have an example of intelligent, political debate; three words that so rarely fall together.
Letters: Jefferson to Adams, Paris, November 13, 1787; Adams wrote back about three weeks later.
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